Astro от Citizen | Citizen Astrodea

[Alex1969]

Эти часы отличается от Accurist / Astrodea:
- Планисфера не включается сам по себе. Вы должны сделать это вручную
- Карта звездного неба не так точны
- Менее качество в материалах (без сапфир, и т.д. и т.п.)

......еще пару слов....
- Секундная стрелка отсутствует...
- грубая отрисовка по стеклу...
- короны расхлябаны...(при чем правая корона - вращает карту звездного неба что в принципе и логично, но только для тех, кто носит часы не как президент)

[thunderdome]

Сообщение от Alex1969

......еще пару слов....
- Секундная стрелка отсутствует...
- грубая отрисовка по стеклу...
- короны расхлябаны...(при чем правая корона - вращает карту звездного неба что в принципе и логично, но только для тех, кто носит часы не как президент)

Это не смотрит ничто как Accurist / Astrodea на близко. Разные цвета, меньше деталей, более грубой чернил, недостатки ... не хорошо.
Но дело в том, что не вращается убивает его для меня.

It looks nothing like the Accurist/Astrodea on close. Different colors, less details, more coarse ink, flaws... not good.
But the fact it does not rotate kills it for me.

[AlekseyF]

Эх... Давно я не заглядывал на форум...

Alex1969
Я правильно понимаю, что Вы владеете этими часами?

thunderdome
You know, I hate to admit that but... Astrodea are simply the best Celestial watches out there. That's why you cannot buy them anymore, $500 price tag was kind of underestimation and timepieces got out of stock shortly -- I was really lucky buying one of the latest.

Some thoughts on what can be realistically found on the market:

• - Campanola Cosmosign is worth considering only in JDM versions -- US/International has a bold metal frame that covers the star map
• - Accurist Celestial has ugly labels on the glass, shape of besel/crown/lugs on the downside too -- I wonder whether it is possible to re-pack them with the clean and shiny sapphire and better body
• - Other imitations are just coarse copies, their listings within last few pages are rather anti-examples of what Celestial watches should be...

JDM Cosmosign is my choice. Even $3,500 looks somewhat fair to me -- can you recall any other Celestial watches that would match their highest notch, huh?

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Сообщение от thunderdome

I did not understand the translation. They are very different!

Hey, thunderdome! In his post Turok was wondering whether there is a difference between Astrodea and Accurist. I know, you've found them being quite similar but to me similarities end-up with the movement and the face -- the rest is ugly coating for the magic interior, IMHO.

Few more words about Cosmosign versions.

• - US/International http://forum.watch.ru/showpost.php?p...2&postcount=96
• - JDM http://forum.watch.ru/showthread.php?t=208418

Feel the difference

[thunderdome]

Сообщение от AlekseyF

thunderdome
You know, I hate to admit that but... Astrodea are simply the best Celestial watches out there. That's why you cannot buy them anymore, $500 price tag was kind of underestimation and timepieces got out of stock shortly -- I was really lucky buying one of the latest.

Some thoughts on what can be realistically found on the market:

• - Campanola Cosmosign is worth considering only in JDM versions -- US/International has a bold metal frame that covers the star map
• - Accurist Celestial has ugly labels on the glass, shape of besel/crown/lugs on the downside too -- I wonder whether it is possible to re-pack them with the clean and shiny sapphire and better body
• - Other imitations are just coarse copies, their listings within last few pages are rather anti-examples of what Celestial watches should be...

JDM Cosmosign is my choice. Even $3,500 looks somewhat fair to me -- can you recall any other Celestial watches that would match their highest notch, huh?

Thanks for the english reply. This forum is great, it's rare to be able to discuss these kind of specific watches elsewhere.
This is going to be a long post, sorry.

Actually Astrodea is not even the original watch but a remake. The original are the Cosmosign series from Citizen (afterwards came the Campanola luxury sub-brand). These watches exist since the 80s!


Let's start with Accurist vs Astrodea.

http://forum.watch.ru/showpost.php?p...&postcount=203

Here you can see the comparison between both. Accurist is known to assemble very good mechanisms (Citizen usually) into good packing (sometimes better than original). The price is usually adequate, making a great quality/price ratio (this is how the brand is actually known). Example: they have 3500€ perpetual calendar + repeaters that use the exact same mechanism as the Campanolas for <500€ (and gold plated!). Amazing but true. They are not handmade, but still very impressive.

There are 2 Accurist Celestial versions. The first one is actually from the same time as the Astrodea series and is EXACTLY like the Astrodea!
This version you see for sale is the second, recently released, more refined version.
The only flaw is the accurist logo in the glass, but the dial is too busy for you to see it (Campanola has a larger white logo on the glass!). On your wrist, the watch looks expensive, the astrodea looks like a round planisphere with a strap in every picture I see. And you can't even compare the metal bracelet on both, totally different leagues.
Astrodea has the kind of bracelets you find on low end watches, quite thin. When I saw in the official Accurist pictures I had the same reaction as you, but when I saw the watch and specially put it on my wrist all changed.
It's a matter of taste actually, since their price is the same when they were both released. And they are both limited (but only the Accurist is actually numbered).

It's important to notice that Astrodea did not have 50º Latitude. Accurist has this.
And that the dial, mechanism (4P92) is absolutely the same, casing on both is stainless steel and saphire. Only the shape of the watch changed. With a leather strap maybe I would prefer Astrodea, with a metal strap by far the Accurist. (Why not have both? )

But you read correcly: 4P92 mechanism. I LOVE the Cosmosign. But the merchanism is the same. I actually had to email Citizen Japan for this. It took them quite some time and effort, due to the rarity of this mechanism, but it's confirmed. The mechanism in Astrodea and Accurist are the SAME. The first edition of Cosmosign (with the metal on the dial) also is the SAME mechanism, smaller dial an pointers. The latest Cosmosign as the SAME mechanism as the 38 mm Astrodea (with moon central indicator). You can actually see that very well, the dial is not 42 mm, but 38 mm planisphere with numbers around it.


So, actually, you only have ONE mechanism for quartz planisphere watches: Citizen.

You actually are choosing between:
- Cosmosign: hand made, better craftmanship, 3 versions - square with metal on the dial, round with metal on the dial and the recent larger dial one (I prefer the more recent one)
- Astrodea: low-cost version of Cosmosign, many versions. Blue/yellow, 38 vs 42 mm, southern vs northern hemisphere. Only 1 version is 42 mm northern hemisphere.
- Accurist Celestial: UK edition, different design (2nd edition) and 2 latitudes. The packaging is superior, some Astrodeas came in cardboxes instead of wood boxes. Warranty is also better, technical support too if you live in Europe.
- The rest are cheap imitations that do NOT have the planishphere movement.
- Or then you have mechanical: the Pateks, Van der Klaauw, IWC... but add many zeros on the price tag.

In the end it's just a matter of personal preference.

Honestly I would gladly buy the Cosmosign besides the Accurist. But... I won't even get a different mechanism, eco drive or anything. Just a better casing (but not gold) and croc strap, for a >2000€ price difference. Is it worth it?

PS: Those pictures of the 2nd edition Campanola are watch porn! But the more you look, the more you see it's just the casing that changes. I can make pics of the Accurist so you can check closely every detail.

[thunderdome]

You see here the 1st edition Accurist. Not my picture, sorry for the low quality.

[AlekseyF]

Сообщение от thunderdome

Actually Astrodea is not even the original watch but a remake. The original are the Cosmosign series from Citizen (afterwards came the Campanola luxury sub-brand). These watches exist since the 80s!

No doubts -- it's all Citizen, itself or sub-brands. See the attached scheme and follow the link to see Citizen LHP46-0226 dated back to 1989 https://picasaweb.google.com/1181803...2NDLHP46022602 or Citizen Lamer LML43-9416 circa 1987 http://citizen.jp/discovery/model/1980/lml43-9416.html or even original Citizen Cosmosign http://citizen.jp/discovery/model/19...cosmosign.html BTW, I've seen them on the bid some time ago http://forum.watch.ru/showpost.php?p...&postcount=148

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Сообщение от thunderdome

When I saw in the official Accurist pictures I had the same reaction as you, but when I saw the watch and specially put it on my wrist all changed.

Сообщение от thunderdome

PS: Those pictures of the 2nd edition Campanola are watch porn! But the more you look, the more you see it's just the casing that changes. I can make pics of the Accurist so you can check closely every detail.

On Campanola pics... While its kind of porn at the level of naked details, it is completely not at the end -- I'm falling in love with those images, its bigger than just elementary eye-catcher. You know that

On Accurist pics... Yes, please make them! I cannot remember any detailed photo-reviews of those timepieces. Appreciate your readiness to be the first. BTW, have you own them or its just from the corner shop next block? Just kidding

[thunderdome]

Сообщение от AlekseyF

No doubts -- it's all Citizen, itself or sub-brands. See the attached scheme and follow the link to see Citizen LHP46-0226 dated back to 1989 https://picasaweb.google.com/1181803...2NDLHP46022602 or Citizen Lamer LML43-9416 circa 1987 http://citizen.jp/discovery/model/1980/lml43-9416.html or even original Citizen Cosmosign http://citizen.jp/discovery/model/19...cosmosign.html BTW, I've seen them on the bid some time ago http://forum.watch.ru/showpost.php?p...&postcount=148

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That diagram is very known, but does not include the recent models.
Indeed I have seen the old Cosmosigns for sale many times.

On Campanola pics... While its kind of porn at the level of naked details, it is completely not at the end -- I'm falling in love with those images, its bigger than just elementary eye-catcher. You know that

On Accurist pics... Yes, please make them! I cannot remember any detailed photo-reviews of those timepieces. Appreciate your readiness to be the first. BTW, have you own them or its just from the corner shop next block? Just kidding

I understand, but remember once you have one mechanism (and know how to calibrate it) you will realize the difference is just the casing.
Of course I have them. LOL
I will make the pics and upload today.

[AlekseyF]

Решил поделиться фотками своей прелести. Тем более, что я уже год как посадил таки Дэю на постоянный ремешок, который не такой сочно-синий, как предыдущий.

New pics of my Precious. Occasionally, I've found the strap a year ago but then didn't share it with the crowd. This strap is not that deep-blue than the previous one but still it perfectly matches the color and not distracts attention anymore.

[AlekseyF]

Немного макроснимков / Few macro shots

[thunderdome]

As promised, here are the pictures of the 2 versions of the Accurist Celestial: 35º North and 50º North (and also one in metal and other in leather bracelet). Also included the box and magnifying glass.
Enjoy.