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А в отношении сервиса и реставрации?
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В отношении сервиса и реставрации обойдусь своими силами, может быть не так быстро и качественно как у первокласных европейских мастеров.
Да и стоить это у них будет довольно дорого, плюс заморочка с пересылкой может возникнуть, так что пусть дома лежит, есть не просит.
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Igor, thanks for the nice additional photos. They are quite interesting to look at and learn from.

I hate to do this but sometimes I have to make corrections to my earlier statements.

I located a small number of watches that may be similar to yours. In a couple of instances, the pierced cases had floral and foliate designs which coincided with the winding holes - the holes were located right in the middle of a flower or a swirl of leaves. This would tend to imply the holes were originally designed to be there. When I look at your watch case, I see what may have been attempts to stabilize damaged areas of the pierced silver casing. I suspect the "big" caps over the winding holes were placed over damaged areas of the case to prevent those areas from falling apart. Depending on what the original design of the case is like around the holes, your watch's case may well have been designed with holes for the winding arbors.

My second correction has to do with the dial on your watch. While the styling of the markers and the chapter ring appears similar to much later dials, this design was also present on some watches that were dated to the early 1680s. In addition, there was a short period in the late 17C when gilded engraved alarm discs were used with chased silver or other types of dials (this may have developed from the same style of alarm discs used on Renaissance clocks and watche). Since the numbering on the alarm disc matches those on the chapter ring, I would say the alarm disc is probably original to the chapter ring. I don't know exactly why someone inserted the screws on the chapter ring and on the alarm disc but you may be able to answer this question when you look under them. If the screws are used to secure the dial to the watch plate and you also find other holes that are now orphaned, then the dial is probably a substitute. But if the dial is secured to the watch plate without orphaned holes then the dial is almost certainly original.

I am also trying to remember when the casemakers switched to this style of pendant from the earlier style which was just a pierced ball and a bow. I'll have to get to that later.

As for values, we cannot discuss that directly. I can only say you bought it at a very good price. IMO, a good way to figure out how to restore such a piece is to take your time to research and slowly solve each of the little mysteries along the way. Eventually, you will come to an overall picture of what the watch probably looked like originally. This is what makes collecting such items so interesting. One watch which shows some resemblance to this watch is the coachwatch by Goullon à Paris, ca. 1660 which was in lot 71 of the Sandberg Collection auction by Antiquorum in 31st March,1st April, 2001 but that watch has a movement Ø of 70 mm. That's one of the reasons why your watch is so interesting.

BTW, I also collect carriage clocks. It would be nice to see your clocks too.


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